 
    
    ORIGINAL QUERY: Date:
    Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:27:42 +0100 
    From: Kim Williams
    <kwilliams@kimwilliamsbooks.com> 
    
      Here is a research query from
      a Nexus Network Journal reader. It appears that the first
      pointed arch in Europe may have appeared in Sicily around 1130.
      In 1090 in Sicily there are no pointed arches; in 1130 there
      are. The first crusade dates from 1099. It may be logical to
      think that pointed arches were a result of the crusade. 
      Does anyone know what the first
      pointed arches were in Europe, and if there were any earlier
      than the Sicilian ones of 1130? 
      
     
    NNJ READERS'
    RESPONSES: From: Charles
    William Johnson <kawil3456@home.com> 
    
      The Greek culture at Mycenaean (BC 1500-110) shows "Circular
      Chamber with Pointed Corbel Vault"; (would that qualify?); 
      Gothic: 1160-1530AD, "Ribbed vaulting, Pointed arches,
      Vertical Lines; Cathedrals, castles, Coucy, Pierrefonds, Christ
      Church, Oxford, etc. 
      ...and then there are the pointed vaults at Palenque; although
      not Europe. 
     
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    From: Eugenia Victoria Ellis
    <eve22@drexel.edu> 
    
      I think the pointed arch came from the east going to the west,
      i.e. came from Islamic sources. 
     
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    From: Marie-Therese
    Zenner <marie-therese.zenner@wanadoo.fr> 
    
      I cannot look into it now but it seems to me there were pointed
      arches in Normandy at an earlier date. 
      Articles on the development of French Gothic architecture
      should give the response. Perhaps Jean Bony's study... 
     
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    From: Joachim Langhein
    <DrLanghein@t-online.de> 
    
      I believe that Spain too (not only Sicily and Palestine) may
      have been one of the medieval "communication zones"
      for inspiration of Gothic architecture. Additionally, the commercial
      contacts within the Mediterrean, e.g. between Pisa and Algeria
      (like Fibonacci) should not be underestimated. (Fibonacci lived
      as a son of a Pisa wholesaler in Bougie (Algeria), spoke therefore
      perfectly Arabic and learnt a lot of Greek-Arabic geometry. 
      Dr. Heinz Götze (+ 02.03.01) was interested in these
      issues, and I discussed some with him. There may be some discussion
      in his last English version of his "Castel del Monte"
      book (NY: Prestel, 1998, German ISBN 3-7913-1930-2). I have forwarded
      him some communications of specialists in Islamic architecture
      I received shortly before (after discussion on a website), but
      I pity that this all lies on my former computer (it would take
      some time to find this communication on the other computer);
      Dr Götze showed high interest in these ideas expressed on
      Islamic geometry and architecture. If I have more time, I will
      search this communication once again, including his letters. 
      Also between 1120 and 1130, Athelard (Adelard fo Bath (1070/1080-1146?)
      travelled to Sicily and later probably to Spain, also to produce
      two Latin translations of Eucllid's Elements based of
      Arabic texts (an antique Roman translation of this still perfect
      textbook has not been found up to now); similarly acted Gerardo
      di Cremona (sometimes written: Gherardo, 1114-1187, + in Toledo)
      and Herman of Carinthia (Hermannus Dalmata, in German "Hermann
      von Kärnten, 12 c). This gave inspiration of the static
      qualities of the equilateral triangle, well tested in Muslim
      architecture, and inspired the practical geometry (construction
      geometry) of Gothic Europe. 
      Of course, these are only assumptions. The Gothic style may
      "multi-rooted", but the inspiration has come from Islam
      Math & Geometic Science & Architecture (including architectural
      decoration). 
      It appears to be sure, of course, that Villard de Honnecourt
      - around 1125 - was well acquainted with the pointed arch and
      its overwhelming static possibilities of the "built equilateral
      triangle" realized in ogive arches, ribs, vaults etc., huge
      cathedrals (see Prof. G. Binding's recent books on Gothic architecture!),
      which enabled not only a wonderful new world of architectural
      proportions, but also an "architecture of light" (as
      admired by Abbot Suger and Bernard de Clairvaux). The Arabic
      Euclidian architecture was able to show all 17 of the 17 planar
      symmetry groups (as idfentified by Dr. Götze's author in
 
      Granada; personal letter of Nov. 18, 1998); it is still unknown
      how many of 230 3D symmetry groups (space groups) may have been
      "realized" by Gothic master builders in their masterworks. 
      This was possible on base of a "compass only" geometry
      (the Danish Georg Mohr 1672 & 1673 and the Italian Lorenzo
      Mascheroni 1797 (french 1798, 1828) have shown that Euclid's
      Elements could be fully drawn with "compass only".
      This way surely part of the so-called secret of Gothic master
      builders. Of course, they used measuring chords, rulers, straightedge,
      too). 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Steve Wassell <wassell@sbc.edu> 
    
      Trachtenberg and Hyman write of some influence from Normandy.
      Durham cathedral's nave vaults (1128-33) had "great double
      bays with pointed transverse arches and roughly semicircular
      cross ribs". They go on to say that "In the third decade
      of the twelfth century, the development of Gothic passed southeastward
      to the Ile-de-France." This does not refute the proposed
      hypothesis, of course, since there may have been influences from
      more than one region. It may just have been the case that the
      time was right for the exploitation of the pointed arch. This
      reminds me of the fact that Newton and Leibniz _independently_
      discovered/invented calculus during the 1660s/70s; 
      it was simply time for it to happen! 
     
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    From: Mark Keane <Keane@sarup.uwm.edu> 
    
      I've always been told it began at Durham Cathedral, England
      at 1080 but not to change the planning of the church, then it
      really began at St Denis, France in 1143 when it changed planning.
      But these countries warred ofr things of less importance over
      the years. 
     
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    From: Pippin Michelli
    <michelli@ariadne.org> 
    
      Certainly there are earlier pointed arches in Europe than
      1130. Montecassino and Sant'Angelo in Formis have/had pointed
      arches at the centers of their vaulted facade porches. 
      May I add to this research query? Does anyone know of any
      symbolism in the shape or mathematics that produces a pointed
      arch? 
     
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    From: Steve Wassell <wassell@sbc.edu> 
    
       
      With regards to this mornings query on pointed arches, another
      NNJ reader has asked a further question about them: Does anyone
      know of any symbolism in the shape or mathematics that produces
      a pointed arch? 
      You already know my answer. A pointed arch is simply the top
      half of a vesica piscis, and "the" vesica piscis is
      prominent in the very first proposition of Euclid's elements,
      showing how to construct an equilateral triangle. This construction
      (which uses only the top half of the vesica piscis, as well)
      must have been known quite early on in prehistoric times. This
      is all speculation, of course, which is why you didn't include
      it in your Mathematical Intelligencer article, much to
      my chagrin. 
      I'd be interested in learning how many others mention this
      possibility. 
     
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    From: Mark Keane
    <Keane@sarup.uwm.edu> 
    
      The math is based on the the plan of the module that is being
      spanned. Semi-circular, Roman, arches can only accomodate square
      modules otherwise the spring points and keystones do not align
      on similar planes. The multi-varied nature of pointed arches
      solve this problem and allow for rectangles, trapezoids etc in
      plan. 
     
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    From: Paul Rosin
    <Paul.Rosin@cs.cf.ac.uk> 
    
      I think that many pointed arches are just formed from pairs
      of circular arcs meeting abruptly (discontinuously). 
     
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    From: Steve Padget <spadget@ku.edu> 
    
      Of COURSE! 
      Its the "Vesica" (with allusions to "eye",
      "mouth", "vulva", "plucked string",
      "fish"). Just imagine two intersecting circles. Symbolically,
      they can represent any of various pairs of duals. In the case
      of the cathedral form, they are the "spheres of Heaven/Earth"
      intersecting with the "intercessory" form of the vesica
      resulting. 
      If the circles have their centers touching the other's edge,
      a ROOT 3 vesica (the "Vesica Piscis") results. This
      figure has other names too ("Mandalora") and, as the
      intermediary between heaven and earth, is the "window"
      or "door" or "birth opening" of the divine
      making an appearance on earth. So, for Christian symbology, its
      the sign of Mary. If one believes in its more mystical power,
      it 'is' Mary. There are plenty of examples of this figure framing
      Christ, emerging form the heavenly realm and entering the earthly
      to be found in the tympanums above Gothic cathedral entries. 
      Within the protocols of 'sacred geometry', after the circle,
      this root 3 figure must be made before it is possible to make
      all the rest. It 'gives birth' to multiplicity of form (number
      in space) from 'perfect' unity. 
      All the examples I know of Gothic era churches dedicated to
      Mary are of a Root 3 geometry and openly exhibit the V.P. in
      the form of mandalora and doors/windows/vaults (half mandalora). 
      See Lawlor's Sacred Geometry, esp. ch.III for more. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- 
    From: Bernard Pietsch
    <bernard@sonic.net> 
    
      Perhaps there is some relevance in the Vesica picis. When
      you look at it the meniscus that is formed has two pointed "arches"
      on each end. If my memory serves me right, I saw some point arches
      in Chichen Itza. The form of the meniscus is in the Panto Crator
      on the front of the (one of them) alters at the cathedral of
      Burgos. I have analyzed this work and found a unique mathematical
      form that delivers some information that you would not belive
      is in there. Since is has the form of the Christos in its center,
      and it is a very close copy of the form over the southwest door
      of Chartres Cathedral, I find that it can (perhaps) be identified
      with the Knights Templars. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Peter Schneider
    <peter.schneider@cudenver.edu> 
    
      I remembered a reference to pointed arches and the Vesica
      Pisces on a web 
      site I'd visited. Here's the link to that: 
      http://www.geomancy.org/sacred_geometry/sacgeo-5.html 
      There is quite a lot of information on symbology of the vesica
      pisces on the web, and I don't have time to run that down, but
      any search for either 'sacred geometry' or 'vesica pisces' will
      get your reader to more information. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- 
    From: Mark Reynolds <marart@pacbell.net> 
    
      'Tis a grand question. 
      Have your reader read, firstly, The Gothic Cathedral,
      by Otto von Simson, and, then, secondly, The Construction
      of Gothic Cathedrals, by John Fitchen. The order is important
      in understanding the Gothic builder/ing, and the period in which
      it evolved. 
      The first is socio/historical, and the second primarily technical,
      altho' there is historical Documentation in Fitchen's writings.
      Both writers are good sources for Gothic Cathedrals. 
      O. von Simson believes (and I agree) that the simultaneity
      of St Bernard and the Cistercians' changes to cathedral design
      to, among other things, the pointed arch and its spreading popularity
      throughout Europe is not a coincidence. He puts the dates
      about 1128-32. (J. Bilson, The Beginnings of Gothic Architecture:
      Norman Vaulting in England, also supports this dating.) Now
      whether Bernard, if he were an originator, was influenced
      by the Middle Easterners is another question. 
      I personally am unsure if there is definitive proof re. exactly
      where the first pointed arch was made. Most importantly,
      it is necessary to understand Masonic thought, tradition, and
      procedure. Among much else, Masons were secretive, and yet, among
      themselves, they spread the word on new, better, and grander
      ideas and techniques as quickly as an African drum, and faster,
      it would seem, than a horse could run... but not faster than
      a ship could sail. It might help in the thinking to understand
      that Sicily is an island and that information came and went by
      ship. Because we see the pointed arch at this time on the European
      mainland, in France, and then shortly, almost in the same breath,
      in England, it is doubtful that the structure originated in Sicily
      and yet appeared, full blown, in other parts of Europe, at the
      same moment, if we are to go with von Simson's and Bilson's dating.
      Returning visitors from the Middle East certainly went to various
      European locations at the same time, so tracing the origin will
      be a murky journey, if we are to support an Arabic influence. 
      As a geometer, my experienced surmise is that it was born
      from the vesica piscis, a Necessity of a European mason (and
      an even earlier Arabic mason) for a perpendicular vertical as
      the plumb was for the Egyptian mason (altho' the plumb was still
      also in the builder's tool box). It is perhaps similar enough
      to a circular arch to be most probably structurally sound and
      load bearing yet distinctly different aesthetically. It follows
      that it was most probably a device brought from the Middle East,
      quite probably around the time of 1100 your reader gives, and
      quickly picked up by the Europeans. We do see very early references
      to the ogee curve (a second cousin of the vesica) in the Byzantine
      as well. The exact dating and placing may prove elusive. 
      This is all I can muster on quick notice. Hopefully, we will
      have a grand master in architectural history step forward with
      the proof the reader requests, but for now, perhaps this will
      help. 
      I, too, would like to know of the documented proof on time
      and place -- and, if possible, by whom -- the first pointed arch
      stood upright. 
     
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    From: Taha Al-Douri
    <T-Al-Douri@peapc.com> 
    
      Meaning in the shape of the pointed arch may better be comprehended
      within a context of Gothic construction rather than pondering
      the arch in isolation. Two properties of Gothic architecture
      most relevant to the character of the pointed arch are "changefulness"
      and "variety" in the Ruskinian sense. Having more than
      one centre, the pointed arch is constructed with more possibilities
      to vary than a standard arch; for the span of the arch is governed
      by the distance between the two (or more) centres in addition
      to the radius governing the span of a circular arch. The combination
      of radius and distance is exclusively a character of the pointed
      arch, and from that combination emerge other possibilities for
      variety in laying out the course-work of brick or stone to construct
      the arch. 
      The point at the centre is a point of intersection and could
      be thus expressed in the facade for celebration of the structure,
      another property of Gothic style. Such intersections can be seen
      in the Cordova in Spain with alteration in black and white stone
      that set the arch visually apart from the rest of the visual
      plain. Other types of pointed arches to emerge in the East (Abbasid
      Baghdad) were constructed with four centres such that two centred
      the larger radii that rose to the summit point and two centered
      the smaller radii that connected the larger ones to the supporting
      columns. The Eastern roots of the pointed arch --being those
      of the Gothic style, the Eastern Roman Empire, the Imperial Palace
      in Constantinople and Islamic Architecture of Mesopotamia, Syria
      and Egypt-- also relate to properties of lay-out (besides style)
      such as the relation between the temple and the residence of
      the sovereign (Cathedral of St. Mark). 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- 
    From: Sandrine
    Germain <Sandrine-GERMAIN@ifrance.com> 
    
      I recommend you to visit this page: 
      http://www.enpc.fr/enseignements/Picon/Architechnique.html 
      about architecture, sciences and techniques. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Don Hanlon <Dhanlon@sarup.uwm.edu> 
    
      Of course, the pointed arch is a far more economical structural
      system than round arches. Loads are transmitted to the ground
      more directly and there is a minimum of lateral thrust. I also
      suspect (and I have no proof of this) that arcades composed of
      pointed arches were discovered to resemble, in an abstract sense,
      groves of sacred trees. In some species, the angles of branches
      from the trunk are remarkably consistent and as they converge
      with the limbs from adjacent trees they form spaces that are
      virtually identical to the shapes and proportions of the spaces
      between columns in the arcades of pointed arches we find in 12th
      and 13th century churches in France. 
     
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    From: Raffaele Santillo
    <raffaelesantillo@libero.it> 
    
      Tomorrow I will write to you and you will receive explanations
      and an excellent international bibliography written " for
      everybody" from famous deigners and teachers. 
      In the meantime please observe the form (and therefore the statics),
      of your necklace, without and with an hanging medallion ! Qualitative
      answer is there (we say in Italian: lá sta il lepre). 
     
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    From: Michael
    Ostwald <michael.ostwald@newcastle.edu.au> 
    
      This isn't my specialty but the pointed arch and its geometry
      is quite symbolic. The vesica pisces geometric construction which
      underlies some forms of pointed arch is significant for a range
      of religous and symbolic reasons. 
      I researched and wrote something short about this topic almost
      ten years ago. I will try to remember where. There have been
      sections of books on this topic published in the past. John Ruskin
      also wrote on closely related topics but with a more pagan, or
      at least intuitive, naturalistic symbolic rationale. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- 
    From: Han
    Vandevyvere <Han.Vandevyvere@asro.kuleuven.ac.be> 
    
      I remember reading in a book on the compagnonnage, written
      by the president (at that time) of the Compagnons, in which he
      develops a history of the emerging of the gothic style in Europe.
      If I remember well, he situates some important first buildings
      in Cyprus. 
      If you want, I will look up the information. The problem with
      this book is that it was written in a novel-like style, and that
      it is hard to distinguish which facts are 'hard' evidence and
      which facts stem from a tradition. 
      Anyhow I believe the Compagnons could give a valuable track
      towards the sources of the gothic style. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Dag Nilsen <dag.nilsen@ark.ntnu.no> 
    
      This is really not my speciality, and I reckon the queryer
      has consulted the relevant literature. I'll only mention what
      Grodecky (1976, English version 1977) writes about pointed arches,
      "first widely used in Sassanid art, the pointed arch was
      adopted by Islamic art, which, in turn, utilized it as a key
      feature from the 7th C on. [...] ..the great mosque at Cordoba,
      Spain, offer ample evidence of its popularity, as do certain
      Sicilian buildings constructed by the Christians after the Norman
      reconquest in 1059." He goes on mentioning Modena, and Burgundian
      churches, but gives no actual dates of examples. 
      Banister Fletcher gives the dates 1120-32 for Autun cathedral,
      1088-1130 for Cluny III, both with pointed arcade arches and
      barrel vault, and 1105-1128 for Angoulème, with domes
      carried on pointed transverse arches. Fontevrault was consecrated
      1119, but the nave was not completed, perhaps not even begun
      then. 
      Considering the many Islamic examples in North Africa, and
      even in Spain, it seems strange that this motif does not seem
      to have been picked up earlier, or at least not before the first
      crusade (Why should it before, perhaps be associated with heathen
      architecture, and not after, if that was the case?). When it
      comes to symbolism it would probably be very hard to find any
      explicit evidence without reading every contemporary source available
      (not to speak of the disappeared sources on such matters. Anyway,
      although some people at all times have been anxious to attach
      symbolic meaning to every aspect of the world, maybe some future
      builder or client - or several of them - participating in the
      first crusade simply liked the look of the pointed arch? 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Orietta Pedemonte
    <pedemont@dima.unige.it> 
    L'ipotesi delle crociate mi sembra attendibile e che quell'arco
    sicilano possa essere il primo esempio in italia anche.Starei
    più attenta a considerarlo il primo esempio occidentale;
    controllerei l'Aljaferia a Saragozza (e in generale la spagna
    nell'undicesimo sec.) e le abbazie di Cluny e di sainte Madeleine
    deVezelay in Francia. 
    [The hypothesis of the crusades seems to me to be reliable
    and also that the Sicilian arch could be the first example in
    Italy. I would be more cautious about considering it the first
    example in west; I would check the Aljaferia at Saragozza (and
    in general eleventh-century Spain) and the abbeys of Cluny and
    of Sainte Madeleine de Vezelay in France.] 
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    David A. Vila Domini
    <d.vila.domini@rgu.ac.uk> 
    
      I suppose you are regarding Europe as excluding the Iberian
      peninsula at that time..? 
      There are numerous examples in the Moslem architecture of
      that culture, and in Spain they begin pretty soon after 711 when
      the Arabs entered from the South. 
      Pointed arches in this context exist on their own in many
      cases. But sometimes they arise from the interlacing of arcades
      of simple semicircular arches, thus often producing a strangely
      compressed representation of several rows of arcades onto flat,
      non-tectonic plane of surface decoration. I am not entirely sure
      about what the symbolism may be... there are certainly stylistic
      (strongly formal) issues that govern their development. 
      Also, there are many types of pointed arch, one being the
      one referred to above, by intersecting semicircular arches at
      r (radius of the arch) centres; this means the centre for each
      side of the (pointed) arch is located at the springing of the
      other side of the arch, normally above a column. But there are
      countless departures from this scheme: composite curves (three
      and four centred arches), and the different locations of these
      centres; some authors speak of elliptical curves, and so on. 
     
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    From: Eugene Dwyer <dwyere@kenyon.edu> 
    
      Pointed arches appear in the narthex of St. John Studion monastery
      in Constantinople (7th century, I think). See T. Matthews, The
      Early Churches of Constantinople. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Robert Osserman <osserman@msri.org> 
    
      John Heilbron's book Geometry Civilized describes the
      geometry of the pointed Gothic arch. 
     
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    From: Carol Watts <cmwatts@ksu.edu> 
    
      There were pointed arches in the Romanesque style before 1130
      (I assume you mean in Western Europe?). The Abbey of Cluny is
      an example - Bannister Fletcher dates it to 1088-1121 and says
      "The pointed arch, among the earliest in Europe, was employed
      in the nave arcades......" 
     
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    From: Michael Leyton
    <mleyton@dimacs.rutgers.edu> 
    
      Pat Hayes and I defined the mathematics of pointed arches,
      and how they are created. 
      Let me give the following simple introduction: Consider a
      smooth arch. It is a curvature extremum (like the end of your
      finger). This corresponds to an ordinary maximum in the curvature
      function. 
      Now, if you make the arch pointed, the curvature function goes
      off to infinity, like a spike (Dirac delta function). Then, various
      grammatical operations we invented will change the curve into
      different types of arches, e.g., like cusped arches etc. 
      Here are two references: 
      (1) Intuitive description of the mathematics: pp.
      502-509 in book Symmetry, Causality, Mind by Michael Leyton
      (MIT Press). 
      (2) Rigorous description of the mathematics: Hayes,
      P.J. & Leyton, M. (1989) "Processes at discontinuities",
      In Proceedings of the International Conference on Artificial
      Intelligence, (IJCAI), pages 1267-1272. 
      Available in any computer science library. 
      Let me explain why the curvature function becomes and infinite
      spike for a pointed arch: 
      In a pointed arc the curvature is finite at all points, except
      at the sharp point, where it is infinite 
      The reason is this: Curvature is the rate of change of tangent
      rotation per movement along the curve. 
      At the arch point, you can rotate the tangent without any movement
      along the curve. So the arch point has infinite curvature. However,
      the other points have only finite curvature. 
      Consequence: Plot curvature (y-axis) against distance along
      the curve (x-axis). You get an ordinary graph representing curvature.
      The graph is has finite height all along it, except at the arch
      point, where it will have an infinite spike. 
      Now the grammatical operations to generate pointed arches
      exploits the above fact. 
     
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    From: Dag Nilsen
    <dag.nilsen@ark.ntnu.no> 
    
      About pointed arches - out of curiosity, I just consulted
      Paul Frankl (1962); he notes two, almost incidental examples
      from about 1100, at St. Étienne, Caen, and a wall arch
      at Gloucester. He also states that "the first vault built
      entirely on pointed arches is at Moissac" (the west porch),
      "probably between 1120 and 1125" (p. 21). I've never
      been to Moissac, but Frankl also states that the cloister there
      has 26 pointed arches, supposed to have been completed around
      1100. K.J.Conant (1959), however has a caption to an illustration
      of the Moissac cloister, saying: "Cloister, c.1100, later
      reworked", which could mean that the arches may have been
      changed. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Robert Tavernor <absrwt@bath.ac.uk> 
    
      I'm not sure about mathematical symbolism, but Deborah Howard,
      in her recent book Venice & The East: The Impact of the
      Islamic World on Venetian Architecture 1100-1500, (Yale University
      Press, 2000), does talk about the migration of Islamic detail
      and pointed arches to Venice, and relates the relatively rare
      ogee pointed arch to the design of Venetian boats! 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Simon Bialobroda
    <Vivekarchitect@aol.com> 
    
      A pointed arch can be constructed using the equilateral triangle.
      From my readings on the esoteric aspects of geometry, the equilateral
      triangle is symbolic of the Soul. Perhaps the master builders
      knew this. The pointed arch can be found in Cistercian Abbeys,
      medieval cathedrals and Islamic architecture. I believe that
      the upward lifting movement or feeling of the pointed arch is
      appropriate for use in sacred structures. The eye abstractly
      fills in the underlying triangle. 
      The base of the equilateral triangle in gothic tracery is
      normally divided into 4 equal parts and is used to generate the
      rest of the tracery. This base line of 4 equal divisions represents
      matter while the arching point can elevate one's consciousness
      to the soul. It is the soul that is the bridge between matter
      and spirit. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Warren Sanderson <we107@sover.net> 
    
      May I assume that by now your question to the AAH has been
      answered? In case it has not been, then I would point out that
      there were already pointed arches and tunnel vaults that were
      apparently pointed rather than rounded at the third church of
      Cluny sometime between 1088/90 and 1120. 
      I'm fairly certain that earlier ones could be found in Spain
      a century or more before that, but at the moment I can't document
      them. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Raffaele Santillo
    <raffaelesantillo@libero.it> 
    
      Your reader's question: Does anyone know what the first pointed
      arches were in Europe, and if there were any earlier than the
      Sicilian ones of 1130?. 
      My answer: if Spain, South Italy, Greece etc, was and is Europe,
      and he means masonry block arches, the answer is yes. In fact,
      the mortar masonry pointed arches were imported by the Arabs.
      They were the owners of the Mediterranean Sea for at least 200
      years, with strongholds or bases even in Provance (Fressineto)
      and Maunt Blanc, in the Alps! 
      Along the Italian peninsula they were acting as invited warriors
      and free lancing pirates : they burned even Saint Paul basilica
      in the surroundings of Rome! To day, in south Italy, we measure
      cultivated land in Arabic units, and I remember when grain was
      measured by volume by an homonym unit. When the Normans arrived
      in south Italy, (battle of Civitate/Fortore, therefore before
      crusades), the artisans, master builders, protomagisters etc
      were Arabic populations : King Ruggero II (Roger) stood up when
      El Idrisi was entering the throne room. Roger's nephew Frederik
      II ( father from Germany, mamma from Palermo),spoke perfectly
      Arabic. 
      How they build before the Normans of Sicily?? By... the same
      methods. To-day the problem is to find examples, because Normans
      built churches where mosques existed (exp. San Giovanni degli
      Eremiti, Palermo): just to search for the bridges they left.
      (existing), and the problem is underlined and solved with signature. 
      From the "sophistic" point of view, million of pointed
      arches existed in antiquity, long before the Normans. Leaving
      out Arabic Spain (Europa!), we have many megalithic examples,
      in Greece, in Arpino (central Italy, home country of Cicero and
      Marcello Mastroianni). Not only, but all the entrance doors of
      the earth-mud-clay houses and "capanne" (huts) were
      and had to be of the pointed arch type, because this is and was
      the best natural form which match the statics and the pattern
      of the stresses transmitted in relation to that material. 
      The true problem is not that of the dates, numbers useful
      for bingo play; the reader should ask himself why the ancients
      build by pointed arches! 
      SECOND question, second reader: Does anyone know of any symbolism
      in the shape or mathematics that produces a pointed arch? 
      Answer: NO- 
      The pointed arch, derives from the laws of statics, which means
      geometry: As a concentrated load on a rope marks a cusp (a medallion
      along a necklace), so a concentrated load marks an inverted cusp
      along the "spinal column" of the arch. Hanging ropes
      develops tensile stresses, (and pull on the supports), and hard
      masonry arches develop compression stresses (and thrust on the
      supports). Numbers, and MODERN formulas are the same, for ropes
      and masonry arches; ( I mean, the basic, the 80%). An observer
      who turn upside down a post-card of the Brooklyn bridge, will
      obtain the profiles of a concrete arch bridge. 
      Bibliografia: two famous books, without a number, for everybody
      :  
      Salvadori, Mario, Structure in Architecture (Princeton
      University Press)  
      Torroja,de Miret, Edoardo, Philosophy of the Structures
      (original title: La racon y ser de los typos estructurales). 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Raffaele Santillo
    <raffaelesantillo@libero.it> 
    
      La cinta muraria sel Comune di Tricarico(provincia di Matera),
      ha la Porta Rabatana della cinta difensiva con arco a sesto acuto,
      o meglio con punto a centro, alla maniera delle prime moschee
      del Cairo,(qui l'aggettivo rabatana dice tutto a chi ha visitato
      il mediterraneo).Il ponte dell'Alcantara, in Sicilia è
      a sesto acuto (pointed arch); anche se forse è stato rifatto
      chi sa quando; un ponte può solo essere rifatto allo stesso
      modo, perché unico è il profilo per quella impostazione:
      <<as hangs a flexible cable, so inverted stand the contacting
      voussoirs>>. 
      I readers devono sapere che il vero arco, quello puro(esempio
      Cordoba,in Spagna), è una invenzione araba; quelli cosidetti
      romani sono ARCHIVOLTI, e NON archi. La differenza in shorts?
      L'arco è piano ed instabile,come una bicicletta, mentre
      l'archiVOLTO è spesso, come un'automobile a quattro ruote,
      che resta in equilibrio anche da ferma! Ecco perché un
      proverbio arabo recita: "l'Arco non dorme mai". 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Susan Alexjander <xjander@got.net> 
    
      Vesica Pisces....Flower of Life. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- 
    From: Ian Pickering
    <i.pickering@gsa.ac.uk> 
    
      In response to your emails about pointed arches: Pointed arches
      also occur in the early part of the 12C in SW France in a style
      of architecture known as the Byzantine Romanesque - which gives
      the clue as to its assumed origin. 
      It is extremely unlikely that it was the Crusades that imported
      pointed arches into Europe although it is true that the Crusades
      placed the relatively unsophisticated crusaders in contact with
      some sophisticated techniques in all areas of technology. 
      It is much more likely that it was trade and contact with
      Byzantium, the most cultured and advanced society of the time
      that was the source. Particularly as Byzantine culture was influenced
      by their contact with the architecture and civilisation of the
      Middle East - particularly Syria. 
      As far as the maths is concerned it seems that the setting
      out of a pointed arch can be done using rather simple geometry.The
      setting out of a pointed arch results from two givens. 1)
      that the arch height is constant (so that vaults of different
      widths will intersect at a constant height); 2)
      the springing of the arch is at right angles to the horizontal
      line between the base of the springings; i.e. the springing is
      vertical and not inclined given that: 1) The setting
      out of the arch would be done on a tracing floor; 2)
      The horizontal line of the base of the springing can be drawn
      at whatever angle but at the correct length of the distance between
      the springings. This distance could be either between the Intrados,
      that is the inner arc of the arch, or the extrados - the outer
      arc of the arch; 3) The mid point of the line
      can be established by intersecting arcs from each end of the
      line as long as each of the arcs has a radius longer than half
      of the line length; 4) The intersections of the
      arcs provide two positions along which a line can be sighted
      through two vertical staffs, one at each intersection. This line
      will be at right angles to the base line; 5)A
      third point can be established at the height of the arch by this
      sighting and by measurement; 6) The known width
      of the arch and the height can then be used to establish the
      line of one side of an equilateral triangle by forming a line
      between the point of the springing and the point of the arch
      height; 7) This line, subdivided in the same way
      as the base line, provides a line at right angles to, and from
      the mid point of, the side line of the triangle which, at the
      point at which it joins the base line, establishes the centre
      point of the radius of the arch. This is the only possible radius
      for an arc connecting the springing to the apex. 
       
      Where the radius lies beyond the distance between the springings
      the horizontal needs to be extended to the radius point but this
      would create no difficulty. Where the radius is less than the
      height of the arch (and less than half of the distance between
      the springings) the arch formed by the radius is half of a 'Moorish'
      arch, albeit turned 90°. 
      There is no indication of the setting out that I have suggested
      in any of the images of a tracing floor that I have examined
      but this has been entirely superficial. In any case it is possible
      that the setting out was done with chalk and that only the relevant
      and important lines were inscribed. 
      I have not been able to establish a simple means of geometrically
      dividing the arc into regular pieces but this may not have been
      necessary. On the other hand, the mass production of the voussoirs
      may have made life easier for the builders. In this case, the
      only stone that would have to be fitted would be the keystone. 
      For those who might be interested in theory about number and
      meaning I have just found a book called The Wise Master Builder
      by Nigel Hiscock, which deals with Platonic Geometry in Plans
      of Medieval Abbeys and Cathedrals. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Vesna Petresin
    <vesna.petresin@guest.arnes.si> 
    
      I've checked the numerous remarks at the nexus site but have
      also contacted my colleagues at the History of Art Department
      who suggested checking the following links: 
      1. pointed arches in Roman architecture: Cluny III (cca 1088) 
      www.owlnet.rice.edu/~hart205/Lectures/lecture33.htm
       
      www.arch.ced.berkeley.edu/courses/arch170/past/95fall/euro.html 
      2. pointed arches in Morienval 
      www.newadvent.org/cathen/06665b.htm (in which it is written, "The earliest structural
      pointed arch recorded in France is in the ambulatory of Morienval,
      referred to above, and is dated 1122." 
     
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    From: Tomás García-Salgado
    <tgsalgado@hotmail.com> 
    
      Charles Williams Johnson and Bernard Pietsch refers pointed
      vaults in Palenque and Chichén Itzá, respectively,
      but strictly speaking, there are not such Maya's arches and vaults,
      because its structural system does not work properly this way,
      that is, as arches or vaults. 
      The so-called Maya's false vaults do not support and transmit
      loads to columns or walls, instead the loads runs vertically
      from the top of the walls to its base. In other words, the walls
      stands up in parallel arraignment and from its spring line starts
      gradually decreasing the span until it close horizontally with
      the capstones. To normalize the loads some wood-crossbeams were
      add to the walls intrados, so, at any moment the walls stones
      follows any sort of curvature, they simple overlaps in order
      to decrees the span. This explains why the spans between walls
      were very short (2.75m span at the spring line in the Inscriptions
      Temple, in Palenque, c. 602-692 AD). 
      Paul Gendrop, a friend of mine, acknowledges at least nine
      different sections of Mayan false vaults: The E-X building in
      Uaxactún, the structure 1 in Tikal, the frescoes temple
      in Tulum, the A-V building in Uaxactún, The Labná
      arch, The ball court in Copán, The secret crypt in Palenque,
      the house A in the Palenque's Palace, and the Governor's Palace
      in Uxmal (my favorite one). For more see: Paul Gendrop, Arte
      Prehispánico en Mesoamérica (México: Trillas,
      1970). 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Carlos Calvimontes Rojas
    <urbtecto@hotmail.com> 
    
      It is very difficult and improbable that any architectonic
      work can be demonstrated with complete certainty to be, mainly
      on the basis of it its form and structure, the first one of its
      type in any part of the world. In a determined place, or simultaneously
      on several sites, when the man reaches new levels of maturity
      in his ability to construct, according to the resources available
      for him, he produces solutions to the main architectonic problem:
      cover a space. In his best achievements, man has found those
      solutions that meet conditions of architectonic beauty, constructive
      ease, conservation of materials and good structural quality,
      with only the geometry of the compass and by repeating the perfect
      forms of nature. The best pointed arch (with an inscribed equilateral
      triangle) has the geometry of the egg, which, being ruled by
      the Golden Number (accompanied by the number 3), determines a
      form that meets such conditions due to its being a system of
      great stability because of the harmony between its parts. The
      use in architecture of the geometric regularity of the bird's
      egg, in its paradigmatic form, besides satisfying aesthetical,
      constructive and economic conditions, allows the thrusts to be
      transmitted to the ground more directly and with minimal lateral
      efforts. See the figures below about that geometry. 
       
       
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Jan Kostenec
    <Jan.Kostenec@cityofprague.cz> 
    
      I have read your query concerning the first appearance of
      pointed arch in Europe and also the responses to it on Internet.
      I think nobody mentioned the great palace of the Byzantine emperors:
      there are pointed arches in the substructures of the so-called
      "paved way", intersecting the Walker Trust (mosaic)
      peristyle [ndr -- in the Great Palace, home to the Byzantine
      emperors] that could be, in my opinion, dated in the mid-sixth
      century. In Istanbul I know of other Byzantine building with
      them: Seyh Suleyman Camii (on its facade) -- it seems to me that
      it is also an early Byzantine structure. 
     
    ------------------------------------------------- From:
    Carlos Calvimontes Rojas
    <urbtecto@hotmail.com> 
    
      Of the several forms of ogee archs, which and where was the
      first used in Europe? It may be the moorish arch called of loin
      of donkey, based in the pointed arch? I have described
      the geometry of this arch as you can see in the image below. 
        
      
       
       
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